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mystx

Hi,

Many times I have attempted manifestations for myself for personal financial gain and they have all fallen flat and not come about but when I do them for others they often work. Sad

Someone told me a day or two ago that a psychic told them that you cannot use spiritual abilities directly for manifestations for personal financial gain and it does actually seem this is true going from my seeming inability to do it successfully for myself.

I think a way around this is to do it for someone else so they gain and then let the universe mirror it back to me? Kind of like seeding the neighbourhood with dollar notes with a blessing written on them while not letting anyone see you place the money and then the universe will return it 10-fold, apparently.

What do others think on this?

Mystx

creativejani · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 34 Location: London, U.K

I've found that giving money in advance draws money back to me, but I'm not sure why it doesn't always work! For instance, I deliberately went out one day, wanting to take the first opportunity to give money willingly; I was on the way to visit an old lady, and full of confidence in my mission, I went into the bookmakers and put on a small accumulator bet, something I've done many times before without much success! I passed a homeless man on the way back from my visit, and gave him some money - he had a dog, and I talked to him about his dog for a moment, and enjoyed the transaction. Then I went into the bookies and found my bet had won, paying me Â£53 to a Â£1 stake. I had the 'universe repays you 10 times' thing in my head and I was trying to see if that's true!

I think it's something to do with the attitude with which you approach the subject, and the fact that we believe we need money when in fact what we often need is something that could come from many different sources. We can desire money as a secondary or indirect means to what we really want, so we'd be better putting our attention to whatever our real desire is directly. Maybe! This confuses the process and causes it to fail. That's just my current understanding, having been workign on this problem many years!

However, I can't see why money itself can't be a valid desire, as long as you're clear that's all you're getting; plus, given that it is easier to be clear and direct for someone else's desire, maybe a swap would be a good idea - you do it for someone else, and they do it for you?

If you want to give this a try, I'd be most willing to be your money partner! I'm experimenting right now with a picture of a radionics machine, rather than an actual machine, because I don't see why there needs to be any 'real' dials etc. It will be free tomorrow, if you want me to set a treatment/desire for you!

d_redant · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:16 am Post subject:

Be sure to let us know how the experiment went Smile

mystx · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:15 am Post subject:

Hi Creativejani,

The experiment sounds like a great idea. You scratch my back and I scratch yours type plan. I think this may work. It's kind of circular. Very Happy

Seems you got 53 times back what you put in. Good going!

You are right the attitude is important plus how much feeling you put into the request. I am not aware of putting any feeling into requests but they still get answered quite often but not every time. I have found the universe can vetoe the request, if that's the right word to use. I am fairly sensitive to inner promptings what to include and what to leave out but sometimes I miss the mark.

I have found it is all in using the right words too when constructing a request. This can make the request sometimes go screwy if I don't follow the promptings but go off on my own bat not listening to them.

When developing a request I will often go into great detail which is why I ask others to be specific in their requests as I can then build that in rather than exclusively following intuitions.

I have a radbox too but haven't used it for ages and never really gave it a go to see if it would focus my energies.

So let's give it a shot.

Put forth your detailed request into the "Manifestation Request" section of this forum just to keep everything tidy and in the right place.

Thanks.

Mystx

creativejani · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 34 Location: London, U.K

Hi, yes, 53 times isn't bad, and that number has significance to me since it's the number of the house I lived in the first 18 years of my life!

I'll put my detailed request in the manifestation section today, and if you do the same, we'll see how it goes!

Re using boxes etc. there is a certain attraction to being able to send the request/vibration over long periods of time, but my experience with 'getting it right' is that it only takes an instant to send the request when it's all in sync (no conflicts, real meaningful goal, right mix of accepting the outcome, confidence, and all the other emotional elements I can't exactly pinpoint! I feel it as a connection with the outcome which only has to be fleeting. (I once entered a phone-in quiz, quite a few times, and there was one phone-call I knew had somehow 'connected with reality' and I got the call back from the show next day! I got the final answer wrong, however, but the feeling of somehow breaking through meant I wasn't surprised I got a chance, at least.) So to go back to the reason trying to manifest money is difficult, maybe it's because it's not 'real' in the same way, or meaningful, as the outcome we really want via the money? So we can't make that connection to it. Anyway, let's find out!

happy manifesting!
Jane

fighting_shadow · Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 52

you can't gain anything because you are already whole. Ask for something to allow you to put yourself into it. Like "it's not what you get, it's what you put into it that counts" I'm explaining that phrase so it makes more sense than the usual "give up all you have" thing. What you give is what you are... since you already have everything. So ask for what helps you express your gift, or what you enjoy. This will manifest simply because it has to.

mystx · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:19 am Post subject:

Hi Creativejani

Thanks for the tip re connecting with reality. That was most insightful and helpful. I'll look into that when doing requests. Very Happy

Mystx

mystx · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:22 am Post subject:

Hi fighting_shadow

Thanks for your wisdom.

I'll put it into practise.

Mystx

creativejani · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 34 Location: London, U.K

good point, fighting_shadow, 'trying to gain something' is a faulty goal because we're already whole...I'll have a think about that.

Viviana · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 31 Location: By TheKingdomOfNye

Hello

I have worked my way from the most recent post to the earlier ones and found this discussion interesting. Really seems like my attention and focus are reflecting that it is TIME for me to understand the workings of manifestation, the nature of our uni/multiverse in a more expanded way.

I have read every thread in this section so far, I believe, and have inexorably been drawn to the Bob Doyle posts and his Wealth Beyond Reason Materials. Also the information by Dr. Asoka Selvarajah as well as Jason Bedunah. Really powerful stuff. Not just what they are saying but how they are saying it. The power of language, the vibration of words and the way they are put together to effect perhaps a certain outcome and/or level of understanding. Reminds me to remember to include, in this journey, an exploration of NLP, something I have been interested in for years. Have just had this feeling it could help as well.

Anyway, this thing about money. I have signed up for the mail from Banabu and Wealth Beyond Reason as well as Jason B's mailings. After reading the material here and in the e-mails it confirms for me that beliefs/paradigm filters etc. really have a lot to do with how I have seen and experieced everything, including money. The expansion or limitation result is all about that, I feel. I had a hard time pinpointing what beliefs could hold me back from a fuller experiece of the "flow" and so got from that that there have been underlying, more deeply buried paradigms I have been living with. Perhaps why I have been so interested in finding a good hypnotherapist to work with (someone who understands these types of matters, specifically).

I often remind myself of this example. Re: how anything, including $$$$, can be understood/felt/experienced differently depending on the consciousness of the filter (person) it is passing through.

If someone says, "Hi!" what do they mean? In my world, up to a certain time in my lfe, it was a greeting meaning Hello, howdy, what's up?, hey, hey there and so on. No question. This was what that word meant. I am an American, living in the USA and I could count on this meaning. Took it for granted, might as well say.

But then I went to live in Denmark, for a short while, several years ago. And people would often say to me, "Hi!' or "Hi-hi! [if there are any Danish people in the house: I was never sure how this was spelled as I only ever heard it spoken, but quite often and with much enthusiasm! Razz

].

Okay. Now, wait for it....here's the deal. These words were spoken at the
*end* of a conversation or visit. Not at the beginning. These individuals were actually saying, more or less, Bye-bye!, see ya!, so long, goodbye....etc. So I had to totally adjust my
word-o-meter after the first few weeks of experiencing this in order for it to make sense while living, in what for me, was this 'new' world. It was a perfect example of how the same word, thing or sound could mean one thing to one person and mean a whole other thing - in fact have a totally opposite meaning - to another. This might sound simple but I found this astounding, especially when relating it to the idea of beliefs, energy, law of attraction when it comes to manifestation of my heart's desire. Wanting to experience money differenly included.

This thread reminded very much of the "Hi-hi!" experience I had. Depending on where a person lived, how they were raised and the language they spoke this word, "hi," could have a very different meaning to someone on the other side of the world, living from a different perspective [reminding me of our own *inner* world(s). Or as Jason B. has already taught me, the DLW Very Happy

]. And no one way of interpereting the word or experience of it is wrong. But depending on where one is living, or the perspective they are coming from, it could really be of benefit to make adjustments in how the word, "hi," is experienced and percieved. Like any notions we might have about anything.

Things that make me go, Hmmmmm.

creativejani · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 34 Location: London, U.K

Hi, I agree with your observations - it's our unconscious beliefs, associations and meanings connected to money, wealth, success etc which actually create our lives, not the skills we have or our intelligence or anything else! It's taken me a long time to fully realise this, and now I do, I think it's pretty scandalous the way we're educated to believe only in 'facts'. We're all looking at these 'facts' through different, unquely personal filters, as you say. That's the hidden aspect of life we have to struggle to find for ourselves, but once we're aware of it, things really start to get interesting! In a way, finding it out ourselves makes it much more fun, though takes longer and you have to go through this process of self-doubt, wondering if you're maybe going a little mad, why doesn't everyone else realise this, etc!

I haven't quite cracked it yet, as far as money goes, but in all other aspects of my life I pretty much have! I think fun and enthusiasm are the missing part of the equation which I've struggled with applying to money, having only seen 'lack of money' for much of my life. I recently discovered my mum had always been anxious about lack of money - then one day decided to stop worrying about it! So the worrying about lack is something I've been very immersed in, from pre-birth, probably like many others! Our beliefs/attitudes may well be so old they're only really accessible through feelings, not reason.

I've read so many e-books on success, abundance etc and they've all said the same thing, really - the things we are in control of right now are our thoughts and our feelings/attitudes. We can choose and direct our attention and thinking processes towards expansion, positivity and faith, and travel the upward spiral of greater awareness, more enjoyment, happy coincidences etc. or allow it to drift into the opposite, downward spiral - limiting our vision, experiences and interpreting things as negative, worrying and losing faith. Faith and belief are critical factors and we need to know it's up to us to have faith and belief in ourselves and in the processes of life, which tend naturally towards growth and increase.

Wanting more money, for me, comes from wanting to be free from restrictions. And so I'm realising how much I'm accepting limiting beliefs about money, and the fact I don't have enough, to colour most of my waking hours! So what I'm doing right now is consciously allowing, encouraging and focusing on the feeling of freedom and 'no restrictions' into my life now in whatever I'm doing. Of course, I also and crucially have to be 'present', i.e. focusing my energy and attention on whatever I'm actually doing, and not spending time in wishing, dreaming, resenting, and all the other distractions that keep me from reality. Power exists 'now' and through applied attention 'now' is where we make the changes in the direction we want to go in. If we want more of something - if we want to attract it towards us - we need to focus on that thing in all its aspects, but not only that - we have to make sure we feel only positive things, and see positive connections, with every encounter! I think this is something we can easily overlook and be unaware of the many times we think of money and feel anxiety (every time we don't have enough to pay bills, etc!) envy or resentment. For instance, every time I see someone driving a big new shiny car, rather than resent them for polluting the air and selfishly taking up too much space on the roads, I make sure I either stay neutral or preferably appreciate or admire something about them, or the car - I practice feeling happy they're able to afford it, they're taking care of it, they're happy in it, etc. It doesn't matter what I think, as long as I'm directing my mind to find only positive things to associate with that sign of wealth! We come across money and see the results of people having it all around us every day - it's in the way we respond to it we can see what our current beliefs really are, and also take charge and start changing them. I think this is the best way to deal with those old ideas we're not really aware we carry - it demands awareness and clear determination to take control of our inner world, in order to affect the outer world. Every feeling we have creates another thought, and that brings more like it, and so on. And every thought brings a feeling - it's a cycle we need to be really aware of and start challenging the restrictions and negativity we've become used to so far. I think this is the most interesting and worthwhile challenge we can ever face and succeed in! It goes far beyond money, of course. It's about our entire perception of life, and that ultimately comes from our perception of ourselves and the way we treat ourselves.

By using our feelings and being completely aware and in control of the attitudes we choose to indulge in, we can alter our reality. I've tried hypnotherapy, it works, but it's cumbersome and expensive... we're talking about a part of ourselves, after all, and all parts of ourselves are connected, through thought and feeling; by taking charge and directing ourselves we can alter any belief we find no longer appropriate or helpful/empowering.

I think it's a question of marshalling all our energy, will, intention, imagination, enthusiasm and faith/belief and applying it, in the moment, to whatever we're doing! Those are the successful moments of our lives.

Phoenix · Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 1

Hi All,

this is a very interesting discussion so I had to jump in and share some of my thoughts and experiences about money matters.

It really boils down to the belief system you acquired in your life through your life experiences and the influence of the people you had as a model around you when you grew up. Sometimes people adopt the beliefs of the ones they respect, admire and hold in a high position in their mind.

It doesn't matter where the beliefs came from because you can change them easily once you learn how. More often than not, you need someone to guide you through the process because when you are involved in a "problem" you can't solve it on that level, you need someone outside of the "problem" loop to assist you make the necessary changes.

I have been working with powerful techniques and concepts with practical experience and time and again it worked Very Happy

!

NLP is one thing, hypnosis is another... There are many more technologies and success strategies. The intricacy of the belief system in question is really very individual and there is nothing we cannot change, improve or have!

I recently had a coaching session with a very talented and intelligent guy who had money problems (emphasis on had because now he has as much money as he wants Smile

) and after some belief change work and the clearing of some past issues and "painful" emotions, money became as natural as drinking water.

So for the ones who could manifest money for others but not for themselves there are ways of getting it.

To your success,

Phoenix

RemoteControl · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 157 Location: USA

The psychic is wrong in my opinion,

you can manifest literally anything you desire, regardless of what it is, even it seems impossible.

However money is usually what I call a "shadow" desire, a reflection of something else you're seeking, so it doesn't work well to manifest it. In my opinion things like gambling really are "evil" because they condition people to scarcity-consciousness, meaning they think the only way they can gain large amounts of money is through gambling, and there's no other escape. However those with wealth-consciousness will see wealth and abundance everywhere, in everything, they will naturally be generous since they naturally believe "there is always more" and wealth will just come to them.

Try manifesting what you want behind the money instead (house, car, financial freedom, etc...), that usually works a lot better.

mystx · Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:18 am Post subject:

Hi RemoteControl

You are so right in manifesting the true item I want. I needed a printer last year so on intuitions I picked the printer I wanted out of a website that has shops all over New Zealand and even specified where most of the money would come from and the rest would just be here for me to use. I chose an Epson CX1000 inkjet printer with scanner, copier and other features that I "just made up" at the time without too much thought about whether one existed in the "real" world. Actually I requested it well before I found it on a site and after a short time did some quick research and happened to be in a mall where that shop was and the rest of the request just flowed into being. I am not sure I explained this properly. Requested printer specs first. Waited couple weeks. Printer specs matched those in a local shop. Waited a bit more. Finances came into being. Bought printer with help of discount voucher that I received as part of credit card spending. Without voucher it would be impossible to buy new printer from shop.

Thanks for your reply.

Mystx Razz

Triple3 · Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 14

Hello mystx.

Great to know that you're using your gift to help fellow human beings. Smile

I once used my thoughts to manifest winning the lottery. I won S$5000.00 (Singapore dollars). That was 17 years ago when I was just about 16 or 17 years old. Over the many years, I tried to remember what I did then and tried again, but it never work anymore.

Here's the story 17 years back should anyone be interested.

I was in high school and just got my license to ride a motorcycle. I desired to get a 125cc Yamaha bike but as a student, I don't have that kind of money. Asking from parents is useless as they'll rather buy me a bus than to let me ride a bike. So I guess, the only way out was to buy lottery. I went to the lotto retailer on a sunday and bought 1231 (British format) on a pick 4 ticket. The number happens to be the birthdate of a girl I was infatuated with (we never got together coz she never liked me) and this was the first time that I actually bought a lottery ticket. A friend with me laughed and said my numbers will never hit. The draw went by and nothing happened.

I decided to try again for the next weekend's draw. I was in my bedroom about to retire for the night, when I just visualised the numbers being shown on the newspaper being the top prize then visualise myself collecting the money and went straight down to the shop and paid S$3500.00 in cash for my bike. I was so happy that I was actually shutting my eyes so tight until I felt a sharp pain in my forehead and stopped, then went to sleep. I bought my ticket 2 days later.

The numbers came out the following saturday and the numbers came out as the top prize winning me $5000.00 on a $2 bet. I was out at the beach having fun and totally forgot that I had bought a lottery ticket.

That was what happened. As far as I can remember. I just can't make it happen anymore.

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