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myskyren · Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 2

I'm not necessarily interested in summoning demons so much as finding out about them. And I'll say this in advance -- I would like informative answers to my questions, preferably those wrought from experience... so no warnings and freaking out, please. :3

Anyway --
If evil and good are just a human conception, then how can it be that demons are some kind of followers of Satan or are intent on doing evil?
Has anybody ever communed with demons and found that there are those are "evil" just as well as those that are "good"? I mean, what IS a demon, really? Is it not just a type of spirit? Why are they automatically associated with Satan, and as the enemies of "light," if (again) such ideas of good and evil are human-made?
The way I would imagine it, if demons are beings dwelling on another plane, would be that there are those interested in deceit and those that are not. Is it perhaps that those interested in deceiving humans are the only ones that will bother answering? Or are they simply, as another person put it, just very proud and demanding of respect? (Like I've heard that using ... circles, to summon them into ... makes them very angry because it's offensive and binding?)

Is there, all in all, nothing good to be garnered from summoning a demon, period? And what really happens when you summon a demon? It somehow baffles me how one could just pull something out of its native dimension into this one.

And any other insight would be lovely. Hopefully you can see the general trend of my questions....

AstralAspirant · Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 13

myskyren · Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 2

Ahahah .. I like your answer of sincere and insightful convolutions. (I mean it... I'm not just being sarcastic. ^o_o^)

Anyway, I certainly would rather search out my own answers. It is true .. I'm trying to find within myself whatever may exist there, searching for answers blablabla, and trying not to let subjective ideas affect my perception of things too much (though of course it's near impossible to just avoid it completely at this point)

But mainly the reason I asked about this -- about demons specifically -- is because I am fascinated by the idea of meeting otherwordly creatures. But .. can they harm me? I don't want to put myself in some mortal danger before I've found anything out about anything. And I don't want to offend anything I meet, since ... I just dislike doing that (especially if it can make me go crazy or whatever some people say they can do).
Though I'm having the idea more and more that "demons" aren't what they're made out to be. (I actually found some very interesting ideas that they are a reflection of the subconscience). But yeah, so, all in all, I'm mainly just asking for the sake of safety and insight to get a better idea of what I'm dealing with.
I keep hoping that if/when I can freaking learn astral projection, perhaps BEING in an otherwordly realm can help me figure this out better. Ask the opinions of its dwellers .. take cautious risks.. etc etc

Kind of wordy, sowrie. :3

Walms · Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 18 Location: México

Hm, interesting questions, but as far as I know, a demon is a servant of the fallen angel Luzbell, who want to be greater than God, as so, most of demons are other fallen angels or beings who just happen to be alike to their ideas. Since Human is the one who says whats bad/good, I has never really be into those concepts for any being, demon/angel can be good/bad at my perspective since there is no real meaning, even tough, some give it as the pressence/aussence of God, wich I don't agree with since God is omnipresent.

CJ · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject:

Logarith · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 141

Hey CJ,

Can you give a detailed explanation of how to summon a demon? I think that it would be cool just to try it.

Thanks,

~ROBO~

CJ · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject:

First, find a location (preferably outdoors) in which no humans will interrupt you. Now, clear a patch about 10x10 in which the actual summoning will take place. If you know any cleansing rituals, then use them now. This keeps any other energies from causing interference. If you do not believe that you have enough energy to sustain a spirit, then condense the energy that's just floating around (I'm blanking on the name) onto the point where you wish the being to materialize. Be warned that this could potentially corrupt the ritual (it's unlikely that anything dangerous will happen, but the possibility exists). Do not place any restrictions on what you intend to summon, unless it is known to be hostile (that doesn't mean demons in general). If you intend to summon a specific target, then hold your breathe for about 30 seconds, and lace the air you have held in with energy while visualizing the creature's name and/or body. Now, exhale while saying the name. Imagine this energy sweeping throughout the patch, steadily growing. Once you believe that the energy has reached its peak, push a large amount of your energy into where the being will appear while mentally yelling its name and seeing its body. The same can be done with the body, but it requires a large amount of detail if you want to get the specific target. If you just want to summon anything, skip straight to pouring energy out into one point, and state that you would like to meet one of them. If you feel several approaching, imagine yourself almost becoming the one you want, while the others slowly drift away. The creature may not appear right away (In one instance I had to sit in the clearing for nearly an hour before it appeared, but results are generally seen within 10 minutes). If the being appears hostile, stand your ground and be as kind as if the two of you were old friends. During this encounter it is very possible that you will be struck. It has happened to me dozens of times, but never with intent to kill. Most of the time, these creatures can see, but are unable to touch us. By showing it that it can harm you, it knows not only that you trust it, but that you are not its inferior and can exist on the same plane. These proud beings don't take such kindness lightly. Before asking any questions or favors, introduce yourself by your full name. If you have made a good impression, the spirit will offer its name without prompting. If you ask for a favor, be prepared to offer a reward or favor in return. I generally offer it a few hours in control of my body, but i definitely don't advise it unless you are a good judge of character. Just as with humans, spirits may take advantage of our kindness. Good luck, and send me a message if you need clarification on anything. Oh, and don't invoke the names of your Gods or Goddesses. After all the things priests used to do, it might as well be a death threat.

Logarith · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 141

Wow, Thanks!!!

I'll definately try this once I get home (I'm out of town right now). So, once you get the demon there, and you swap names and get struck, what do you do? "You come here often?" Hahaha. But really, what sort of information do they have to offer?

Thanks in advance,

~ROBO~

CJ · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject:

Well, my first summon is now one of my closest friends, and taught me much of what I know regarding demons. He also ended up bringing me to a place in the forest I live near where I ended up meeting my best human friend. For a few months, he sort of merged with my body. This is probably the most interesting aspect of summoning. When you trust one enough to let it inside your body, your entire thought process changes. Before joining with him, I was a pretty average 5th grade reader. A month or two later, I was reading ancient poetry and college level books. Now, in algebra, I don't even use equations. I just look at the problem for a second, then "see" the answer. You also have much more energy to call on when performing any kinds of magick. There really is no limit to what you can learn from them.

Walms · Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 18 Location: México

Hm, so Demons can be that helpful, I wonder why people goes with the stereotype and just judge withouth know.

CJ · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject:

Logarith · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 141

CJ · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject:

Walms · Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 18 Location: México

Oh, so nice to know that they doesn't like to just go killing, tough I never tought it would be truth since people only like to see their own perspective instead of seek for others ones, even if those others are demons. Even tough I didn't asked a thing thanks for the info.

Logarith · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 141

No, it's alright. I'm past getting offended Very Happy

. But yes, there are a lot of people who worship blindly where I live too.

~ROBO~

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